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Transcript of CBC Radio Interview

Hon. David Kilgour, M.P. (Edmonton Southeast) and Secretary of State (Asia-Pacific) with comments from Premier Ralph Klein.

May 9, 2003


KLEIN GOVERNMENT CAMPAIGNING TO CHANGE ITS RELATIONSHIP WITH OTTAWA

DONNA MCGILLICUT (CBR): The Klein government has started to publicly roll out its campaign to change its relationship with Ottawa. There is a growing discontent in the province with all things federal. Even people in his own party say Premier Ralph Klein ignores that discontent at his own payroll.

Reporter Scott Dipple takes a closer look at Alberta's escalating war of words with Ottawa.

SCOTT DIPPLE (Reporter): Some people in Alberta start screaming and their blood begins to foil when they hear words like Kyota, or Kyoto, the Gun Registry, the Wheat Board. Well, Sheriff, I mean Premier Ralph Klein is working on a plan to deal with the frustration in the sense of alienation

people have with the Liberal Government in distant Ottawa. The first step is a three-point plan. In a speech earlier this week, Klein snapped his finger saying Prime Minister Chrétien could take these actions just like that, and Albertans could feel a whole lot better.

RALPH KLEIN (Premier of Alberta): These are very very simple things that Ottawa can do without changing any laws, without changing any regulations. They can do it simply as a matter of policy.

DIPPLE: Klein wants the Prime Minister to appoint Senate nominees from the provinces. He wants annual First Ministers meetings, and he wants Ottawa to consult the provinces on international treaties that affect them directly; treaties like the Kyoto Protocol. However, in the scrum with reporters after that speech, Klein said there is one reason these three ideas aren't being seized upon by Jean Chrétien.

KLEIN: The only thing that's holding the Prime Minister back is political, it's a political mind set.

DIPPLE: And what followed was some rather sharp sniping between Premier Klein and Prime Minister Chrétien.

JEAN CHRÉTIEN (Prime Minister of Canada): Stay out of our business when it comes to the delivery of health care; outside of those things that are mandated through the Canada Health Act. But you know, we're sending them money for health care. Perhaps we should keep the money. I don't get involved with the Canadian embassies abroad, or the consulates. So I'm saying in a sense, stay out of our business! For me, you write letters to ambassadors. It's not doing business. We don't get involved in your jurisdiction. We don't mess around with the CBC, the RCMP, the Criminal Code, the Canadian Army, the Foreign Affairs We have some responsibilities, and he has his. Stay out of our business and we'll all get along!

DIPPLE: Okay. So it sounds funny and grabs the headlines. But the verbal duelling between these two political heavy weights isn't solving any of the problems between the governments in Edmonton and Ottawa.

At that same speech this week, Klein also said one of Alberta's two Liberal MPs gets it, that he understands Albertans frustrations. Kilgour who has written about Western alienation, says Klein's sniping with Ottawa won't really hurt the situation.

DAVID KILGOUR (Liberal MP): He's the dean of the premiers; he's he speaks for Albertans on most issues most of the time and people here know that. And so when he makes a statement like that, some people will say it's rhetoric, others will say he's quite right.

DIPPLE: The Edmonton MP takes part in several different caucuses in the Liberal Party ensuring Alberta's perspective is heard in Ottawa. Kilgour says when he hears those views, the reception he gets differs, depending on which caucus meeting he's at.

KILGOUR: Well, it's very good, of course, in the Alberta caucus. It's I'd say it tends to be good, but not quite as good in the Western-Northern caucus. In the Western-Northern ministers group weekly meetings there is I think those are extremely receptive to the ideas of Albertans and British Columbians, people from from Saskatchewan and Manitoba. And in the Cabinet In the Cabinet sometimes there is a very good hearing, sometimes, frankly, there isn't such a good hearing. But that's that's political life, I guess.

DIPPLE: So while Kilgour is doing his job, even he says sometimes the message isn't getting through. Maybe the reality check this week was that after the Prime Minister returned Ralph Klein's fire, it was another Ralph, a federal one, who sees reasons to be positive about the future. Ralph Goodale is the Public Works Minister. He's also responsible for the Wheat Board and is Chrétien's lead master in Saskatchewan. He concedes Ralph Klein isn't necessarily asking for the moon. For example, he doesn't think consulting the provinces on treaties is a big deal. But he's not keen on giving anyone long-term appointments to the Senate.

Perhaps of greater significance, Ralph Goodale is also a close friend of Paul Martin, the front runner in the Liberal leadership race. And maybe that's why when it comes to dealing with Western alienation, Goodale starts talking about what Paul Martin wants to do about it.

RALPH GOODALE (PWGSC Minister): What you can do more rapidly is some of the changes in the House of Commons with the parliamentary changes that Mr Martin ahs talked about, with with more free votes and more power in the hands of individual members of Parliament, whether they are on the government side or on the opposition side, which could enhance the day-to-day functioning of our democracy.

DIPPLE: Ralph Klein pushes for what Ottawa can do for him. He has ministers working on other items, things the provincial government may try on its own.

They include examining the cost benefits of replacing the RCMP with an Alberta police force; opting out of the Canada pension plan, and levying its own provincial income tax. But Klein may also be by what's happening in other provinces, other provinces who are also turning up the heat for changes in the Confederation deal.

If you thought Jean Charest's election meant Quebec is going to be a lot quieter, think again! That province is going to launch a full-square attack to get more money from Ottawa. There was a riot in New Brunswick this week because of changes in the crab fishery. And then, there is Newfoundland and Labrador.

KLEIN: What we're seeking to do is to strengthen and renew our place in Canada because it clearly needs some strengthening, it clearly needs some renewal.

DIPPLE: Newfoundland's Premier, Roger Grimes, is talking about the thing no one in Ottawa wants to do: reopen the Constitution to give the province more control over our natural resource. No wonder Premier Klein quickly jumped to support Grimes' position. It's a complaint most premiers can relate to these days.

In the meantime, no one, least of all Premier Klein, is holding their breath that anything is going to change in Ottawa until there is a new boss at 24 Sussex Drive. It's certainly promising to see some of the federal Liberal leadership candidates recently talk about some of these ideas. But we'll have to wait and see if their comments lead to actual changes.

For Friday Scrum, I'm Scott Dipple, in Calgary.

 
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